and unions are outdated. i mean, there was a time for them, but now all the unions are doing is holding these ports hostage which really the president does need to get involved. he's done so much for unions. look, he has definitely made his case, he has been there for the folks that have been there for him, but this is different. this is over and above ruining businesses and commerce for our country, and it gets to the point where it's dangerous, and we really have to make sure ha these ports are open. and you know what i think these governors should do? they should start a strike force meaning that when these unions want to hold everyone hostage -- gregg: you're just angry because they killed hostess twinkies finish. >> you know what? you read my line. we don't have any good stuff, no junk food anymore. but the other thing is, truly, that the governor -- excuse me, these governors can come in and have a strike force and have these people take the jobs of the unions because a lot of people need jobs, and they